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Hello everyone. Would you be interested in seeing separate Harvest Moon and Story of Seasons Wikis if it resulted in working closer with developers and all the additional benefits that come along with an official partnership?

Fandom has been approached by Natsume to make the Harvest Moon Wiki an Official Wiki. More can be read about what an Official Wiki is Here. In short, with the official Wiki label, Natsume would promote the Harvest Moon Wiki for new readers and editors.

Due to the divergence of the Harvest Moon series with the Story of Seasons series, however, Natsume only wants the Wiki to focus on Harvest Moon games. As such, I would like to propose that a new Story of Seasons Wiki be created, with all associated pages copied over. Admins and other users would have the same rights on the other Wiki with the same layout and rules. The hope is then that Marvelous would then agree to a partnership with Fandom to make the new Story of Seasons Wiki an Official Wiki.

Please let me know of your thoughts below so that we discuss about this proposal. Rest assured that nothing will happen unless a consensus has been reached. --awyman13FandomStaff.png (Talk/Work) 04:52, August 1, 2019 (UTC)


Discussions

I think it's a great idea, there doesn't seem to be anything negative about it. Steven Bomb 17 (talk) 11:36, August 1, 2019 (UTC)



SabrinaNormal
Nixerix
TALK - 11:54, August 1, 2019 (UTC)
Hi awyman:

Wow, how great that Natsume has actually reached out and wants to make the wiki somewhat 'official'. I've worked on this wikia for a very long time. Because I've never played Story of Seasons, that's a very hard decision for me to weigh in on.There needs to be more opinions added from the community. We are a very small community with not a lot of editors who are here a lot, so please be patient and give it some time. Hopefully there isn't a time limit on this at all. We've only got about 4-5 people who are here regularly. 

I will get the word out to other members to ask them to visit this thread and weigh in. The wiki gets a lot of traffic with or without official endorsement. To me, it'll be about what the rest of the community wants. I will continue to edit on one wikia (or seperate) regardless of the outcome.


What would the wikia be like? Can you show the screen-shot? There is Story of Seasons wiki here: [1] Clara Alexandra Djalim (talk) 12:46, August 1, 2019 (UTC)


(Replying to Clara) As they said in the message, all associated pages would be copied over and it would be run by the same people. Therefor, it would most likely be equivalent to this wiki, with the same templates and style, but the pages would be all about SoS by Marvelous and this wiki will be all about Harvest Moon (I'm unsure if this would be the original series, but definitely the newer series). Personally I'll need time to think up a reply as this decision would have many benefits and faults to it ~~ Wildheart


The original games and associated pages would remain on this Wiki. --awyman13FandomStaff.png (Talk/Work) 13:26, August 1, 2019 (UTC)

I’d like to separate the wikis as well. But I think it would be better to have bokujou games on one wiki and the original Natsume games on another. The Natsume games would be fine here but the bokujou games would be on another. Mai Is Me (talk)


After some thought I'd say the split would have some negatives and am definitely torn. It's a good idea in theory to split, but I'm overall paranoid it could go poorly.

Firstly, the team are generally dedicated to different causes, with Mai seeming to mainly focus on newer SoS games and Nix focusing on older HM games (having not even played the newer games), I feel like the two would wind up focusing on one wiki more than another. Additionally, nobody really seems to focus on or touch the Natsume HM games (many pages don't have images or information!). So I can see a bit of neglect going on, so an official status with Natsume might not make much sense. As Alex pointed out, their already is a SoS wikia that is quite inactive and lacks information, I have worries that would happen to us should we split. Additionally, Marvelous hasn't agreed to make us Official either, so we'd lack that support and protection that'd make it worth it.

For pros, (I think?) we'd be supported by the creators, meaning we'd get promotion and possibly new editors and viewers from Natsume's support. However, I don't see much more benefit besides a shiny badge? Unless I misunderstood something and being official gets us anything else? It's not like Natsume is coming out of their way to help us collect data or give needed images ~~ Wildheart


(Been awhile since I got to bust this template out, hehe. Just to get a bit of variety on the talk wall here).


SabrinaNormal
Nixerix
TALK -
If we are on the fence about it as a community, I vote against splitting. The wikia is already very well established as is with everything all in one place. If I do decide I would like to play the SoS series or the newer games, bouncing between wikias would be a pain. Not to mention needing to learn new templates, style rules and such and so forth if other people (more active) on the other wikia changed things. I'd be more inclined just to stay with one wikia. I'd still edit on the other one if I REALLY wanted to... but splitting is a pain. When I do help out with newer games/SoS series it's for style and format. I do try to help out where I can, and I still want the ability to do that without needing to go back and forth. With more overall Harvest Moon content than SoS content, we wouldn't lose a huge piece of the HM wiki if the SoS stuff went... but it's nice to have the information in an already established space. I think that this attracts more editors as well, something that we need to help out our regular editors from time to time. If there wasn't as much traffic at a moved SoS wiki, it would probably fall into disarray and look pretty empty and incomplete. 

Looking at the other wikia, it was founded by a guy who basically just copied everything from our wikia. He got 200 edits into it and decided to just abandon it. He made all the edits in a single day back in 2015.... and since then, I haven't been able to find any evidence that anybody else made any effort to edit there at all. If its been sitting there dormant for 4 years and literally NOBODY took the time to even TRY to edit it, then I think that's a very good argument for how well our wiki does. I get that our wiki is more well established and would come up on a search better, but the wiki still exists. Clara was able to find it. If people were that upset about the two series not being separate, you'd think there would be some stubborn folks who would be determined on fixing up that wiki and making it stand out from this one for just the Story of Seasons content.

Perhaps this is mostly out of nostalgia on my part. But I've been editing here since probably 2012. I know it well enough that change doesn't seem to make any sense to me. Not sure what endorsement would do. It's a nice gesture, but it's not like it's going to make any of us money or anything like that. We don't know if it would positively effect us at all, and we have no idea if Marvelous would ever follow suit.

As for your suggestion Mai, I think that the common person would get way too confused without intimate knowledge of the series. Imagine how confusing it'd be to see Harvest Moon 64 and Story of Seasons on a Marvelous wiki, and then see Light of Hope on another one. Or, even more confusing, the original Friends of Mineral town on one, and then the re-make (now done by Natsume) on another. I'd be asking myself, 'why aren't all Harvest Moon titles together?' I can understand the suggestion for Story of Seasons, since the title is at least different though.

I decided to leave a neutral opinion until other people weighed in. If it overwhelmingly made sense one way or the other, of course I would understand that the community wanted it a certain way and go with that. But since we are split, I vote no. Don't fix what isn't broken. Aside from this possible endorsement/official status from Natsume, there is absolutely no reason to change. We didn't make new wikias for the spin off games either. We are well established, people already know where to find the content, and we've done a lot of hard work on the wiki as a whole... regardless of which title or series we are talking about. We have skilled editors who do a great job helping on both Harvest Moon titles and Story of Seasons content.

Hopefully all of my reasoning above makes sense.


Michelle Chibi
Mai Is Me
TALK -
Ok, I agree with not splitting either.

For the record, I wouldn't want the old Mineral Town on one wiki and the remake on another, I would want, if anything...

Overall though I still don't want to split.

You're totally right that, unless you're really into the series, people don't know that the name change thing has happened. My friends / family have told me a bunch of times that they were going to buy this game because they thought it was a new game in the series.

My reasoning is pretty much that I don't like at all that Natsume is continuing to use the name to try and trick people into buying their game and I couldn't care less/fail to see what it would benefit the wiki to have an endorsement by Natsume. Especially if they're trying to take credit for games that they just localized. I'm fine with the new original Harvest Moon games being on this wiki because they have the same name, but the purpose of this wiki is overall for the localized Bokujou Monogatari series, no matter who localized it. So I for sure be against splitting the series over two wikis.

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